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		<title>By: Hi Pat</title>
		<link>http://sworddance.com/blog/2005/12/02/living-standards-closer-to-average/comment-page-1/#comment-4</link>
		<dc:creator>Hi Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 19:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fundamentally, it doesn&#039;t really hold together for me. 

It&#039;s a scenario, but not especially plausible. 

Anytime someone tells me something like: the Greenland melting is 30 years away from becoming &quot;runaway&quot;, will take 1,000 years to occur, and will be unstoppable once it starts, I wonder if they&#039;re related to Lord Kelvin (who, in addition to being a great physicist once declared, with utter certainty, that &quot;Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible&quot;)

Moreover, 30 year out predictions are tricky things-- there was a wonderful Long Now seminar last year talking about global depopulation. And Stewart Brand, the guy who runs the Long Now, pointed out the obvious: 30 years ago we were worried about the calamities that would be induced by overpopulation; now we&#039;re worried about the possibility of a depopulation spiralling into a feedback loop that causes the next dark ages. 

Best,


Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fundamentally, it doesn&#8217;t really hold together for me. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a scenario, but not especially plausible. </p>
<p>Anytime someone tells me something like: the Greenland melting is 30 years away from becoming &#8220;runaway&#8221;, will take 1,000 years to occur, and will be unstoppable once it starts, I wonder if they&#8217;re related to Lord Kelvin (who, in addition to being a great physicist once declared, with utter certainty, that &#8220;Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible&#8221;)</p>
<p>Moreover, 30 year out predictions are tricky things&#8211; there was a wonderful Long Now seminar last year talking about global depopulation. And Stewart Brand, the guy who runs the Long Now, pointed out the obvious: 30 years ago we were worried about the calamities that would be induced by overpopulation; now we&#8217;re worried about the possibility of a depopulation spiralling into a feedback loop that causes the next dark ages. </p>
<p>Best,</p>
<p>Bill</p>
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		<title>By: patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 17:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bill --

I reread what you wrote and I did see that I misread with regards to the &#039;investing in education&#039; statement. Considering how many times &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mvef.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Mountain View Educational Foundation&lt;/a&gt; calls me asking for money to do things like art and music, I would say that we do need money in the educational system (but that certainly was not your comment)

As far as the links go I just tested them and they seem to work.   If you can give me an example it would help.

But what did you think of the rest of the post: Did the climate argument hang together (even if you didn&#039;t agree with it?)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bill &#8211;</p>
<p>I reread what you wrote and I did see that I misread with regards to the &#8216;investing in education&#8217; statement. Considering how many times <a href="http://www.mvef.org" rel="nofollow">Mountain View Educational Foundation</a> calls me asking for money to do things like art and music, I would say that we do need money in the educational system (but that certainly was not your comment)</p>
<p>As far as the links go I just tested them and they seem to work.   If you can give me an example it would help.</p>
<p>But what did you think of the rest of the post: Did the climate argument hang together (even if you didn&#8217;t agree with it?)?</p>
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		<title>By: William Grosso</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Grosso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 16:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat--

Most of your links are broken. 

Past that, nowhere did I say &quot;because we are not investing in education to stay a technological leader&quot;-- I happen to think we&#039;re spending quite enough on education. The problem is that the educational system in this country is systemically broken (as are a number of the other large-scale systems in this country). 

Further investment? Waste of money. Fundamental systemic change seems to be required.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat&#8211;</p>
<p>Most of your links are broken. </p>
<p>Past that, nowhere did I say &#8220;because we are not investing in education to stay a technological leader&#8221;&#8211; I happen to think we&#8217;re spending quite enough on education. The problem is that the educational system in this country is systemically broken (as are a number of the other large-scale systems in this country). </p>
<p>Further investment? Waste of money. Fundamental systemic change seems to be required.</p>
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